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How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

08.06.2025 00:10

How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Why do unattractive men assume that a pretty woman like me want them?

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Now here in this verse

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ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

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The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

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Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

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— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

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I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

What is your best gay fantasy?

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

CONCLUSION:

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Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

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I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

How do you write a letter to your uncle who sent you money for your birthday outfit?

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

As an inmate did you have to live alongside a bully for your whole sentence?

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

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ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

then who is there to know what happens without?

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Kabir (a weaver)

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

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I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Sain (a barber)

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

I am like a fish out of water,

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

NOW…

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥